In this episode, Jonathan is gobsmacked that the dwarves are ACTUALLY the firstborn! Michael, Dan, and Jonathan also discuss the ins and outs of Aulē’s relationship with Yavanna, and how Yavanna’s hopes for eagles in her trees is dashed by Manwë.

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