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  • Did the sons of Elrond choose to be men or Elves?

  • azanathel1974

    Petitioner to the Council : 1 posts

    Elladan and Elrohir…. Once dad went away and sister died before them…. did they stay and be mortal, or did they leave and be elven?

    Jan 24, 2021 at 11:34 pm
  • Otaku-sempai

    Citizen of Imladris : 79 posts

    Well, the brothers remained in Middle-earth after the Ring-bearers took ship into the West, but it’s hard to say if they ultimately chose mortality and made lives there. It’s equally possible that they did choose to live as Elves and sailed to Valinor at a later time.

    Jan 25, 2021 at 8:00 am
  • Melwa

    Citizen of Imladris : 55 posts

    It took a bit of hunting, but I got the answer. Okatu-Sempai is right that the brothers stayed in Rivendell after Elrond and Galadriel left Middle-earth(Appendix B, The Great Years). And thus they must have stayed until their mortal deaths. “To the children of Elrond a choice was also appointed: to pass with him from the circles of the world; or if they remained, to become mortal and die in Middle-earth. (Appendix A, I, i)” They can’t change their minds, since that same passage also says that Elrond’s similar choice is “irrevocable” and Arwen also tells Aragorn on his deathbed that it’s too late to change her mind and go west.

    Jan 25, 2021 at 4:34 pm
    • Otaku-sempai

      Citizen of Imladris : 79 posts

      Yes, the passage does seem to imply that the choice of Elladan and Elrohir to remain in Middle-earth after Elrond’s departure signaled a choice by both of them to become mortal. However, I don’t think it’s conclusive. It’s possible that the Choice of the Peredhil (Half-elven) remained to them right up to the sailing of the Last Ship. Arwen, by contrast, made her choice when she wed Aragorn and bear his children. She could not recant it.

      Jan 2, 2022 at 8:39 pm
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  • Old_Begonia

    Petitioner to the Council : 13 posts

    Tolkien wasn’t completely definitive about it though, was he? I mean, the door was left open, so to speak, by Frodo, of all people, speaking to Sam as they leave for the Grey Havens:

    “Though you too were a Ring-bearer, if only for a little while. Your day may come.”

    Though the Rings, and Cirdan, have passed into the West, that doesn’t mean all passage is cut off. I mean, Legolas and Gimli embarked for Valinor, after the passing of Aragorn. 🤷‍♀️

    Feb 7, 2021 at 9:32 am
    • Yonávë

      Citizen of Imladris : 23 posts

      Didn’t Sam go with Gimili and Aragorn at the end?
      I thought I’d recalled that from somewhere.

      Feb 9, 2021 at 4:19 pm
      • Morwenna

        Citizen of Imladris : 20 posts

        Gimli and Legolas? I don’t know. Did Cirdan go with the Ringbearers? Somebody had to be around when Sam left; was that Cirdan? Dangit, where’s my book?

        Mar 6, 2021 at 12:09 pm
      • Otaku-sempai

        Citizen of Imladris : 79 posts

        The Ringbearers did not depart on the Last Ship. That was sometime later in the Fourth Age when Círdan left Middle-earth. Celeborn probably accompanied him.

        Mar 6, 2021 at 6:07 pm
      • Drogo Baggins

        Citizen of Imladris : 24 posts

        Same went, after Rosie died, but not with Gimli and Legolas. They went together later.

        Jan 1, 2022 at 8:41 am
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