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  • Amazon's TV Show is not following Tolkien's Vision for Middle Earth

     wrymero updated 6 days, 17 hours ago 6 Members · 15 Posts
  • erkenbrand94

    Petitioner to the Council : 6 posts

    Amazon is using the Middle Earth lore to create a tv show that does not align with the way Tolkien created Middle Earth. I wrote a petition on this to remove the risqué content that Amazon is putting into the show. Tolkien would never have gone there. There is more about this in the petition. Please sign!

    https://www.change.org/KeepMiddlearthClean

    Mar 26, 2021 at 7:25 pm
  • Otaku-sempai

    Citizen of Imladris : 45 posts

    Would you care to actually make your case for your assertion rather than just make unsupported blanket statements? We already know that the Tolkien Estate has veto power over anything in the Amazon Prime series that they feel violates the spirit or canon of J.R.R. Tolkien’s legendarium. The presence of an intimacy coordinator does not prove that the show is going to have highly sexualized content. Such a position is pretty standard in modern film and television production.

    Mar 27, 2021 at 6:41 am
    • erkenbrand94

      Petitioner to the Council : 6 posts

      I’ve made my case in my petition.

      Mar 29, 2021 at 5:59 pm
      • Otaku-sempai

        Citizen of Imladris : 45 posts

        And the only “case” you’ve made is an unsubstantiated rumor based on scant evidence. Every show and movie has an intimacy coordinator these days. Her presence proves absolutely nothing. I hoped that you might have a better argument than you’ve already stated.

        Mar 30, 2021 at 6:08 am
      • erkenbrand94

        Petitioner to the Council : 6 posts

        Just thinking about this a little more. This is what intimacy coordinators do:

        HBO one of the first to hire one: https: //www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/lets-talk-about-simulated-sex-intimacy-coordinators-two-years-on

        This is more on what they are wanted for: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-metoo-intimacy/wanted-intimacy-coordinators-hollywoods-fastest-growing-job-idUSKBN1WV20C

        Apr 10, 2021 at 3:18 pm
  • denethor

    Petitioner to the Council : 2 posts

    1. We know nothing about the way Amazon will handle sex/nudity.

    2. Organising petitions to influence creative art is really stupid.

    Apr 1, 2021 at 8:24 pm
    • erkenbrand94

      Petitioner to the Council : 6 posts

      I don’t know man, I’m just trying to bring awareness about how Amazon is doing things and to keep Middle Earth “TOLKIEN.”

      Apr 5, 2021 at 6:58 pm
      • elengil

        Citizen of Imladris : 29 posts

        Except you aren’t because we don’t know how Amazon is going to do it – exactly as the other posters here have been saying. You are making rather wild assumptions without any solid evidence.

        If you want to petition for a change, you really need to wait and see what they are actually going to do and address those specific issues rather than just knee-jerk panic about something you don’t know yet and haven’t even seen and so can’t actually identify what is even a problem yet.

        Apr 6, 2021 at 7:34 am
  • erkenbrand94

    Petitioner to the Council : 6 posts

    Do you guys think Tolkien response would be to sex and nudity in a movie/show based on Middle Earth?

    Apr 6, 2021 at 5:07 pm
    • elengil

      Citizen of Imladris : 29 posts

      The question makes the assumption that there will be sex and nudity in the upcoming show, AND that there was no sex or nudity in Tolkien’s writings.

      I’m not sure you can back up either of those assumptions.

      Tolkien didn’t write steamy romance scenes, but there certainly was non-sexual nudity and non-explicit intimacy in his writings – either of which would easily justify an intimacy coordinator. And once again you are ignoring that the Tolkien Estate could reject anything they felt was not in keeping with the spirit of his writings.

      I fail to understand why you continue to beat this dead horse without the slightest evidence of anything improper in the show, unless it is merely to stir up argument and controversy.

      Apr 6, 2021 at 5:39 pm
      • northerner

        Petitioner to the Council : 4 posts

        He has a point, though. There is a strong chance that the new LOTR series will feature the same sort of sexual content as GoT. If this happens, this will be a great betrayal to the integrity of Tolkien’s vision.

        Your idea of creating a petition for the series to feature no nudity only *after* it happens is also nonsensical.

        Apr 10, 2021 at 2:35 pm
    • Otaku-sempai

      Citizen of Imladris : 45 posts

      There is already (non-sexual) nudity in Tolkien’s tales of Middle-earth. He wasn’t against nudity when it was appropriate to the story being told. There is even incest in Tolkien’s stories (see The Children of Húrin). That said, no, Tolkien would most likely have been opposed to explicit or gratuitous scenes of sex. However, we don’t know that Amazon’s series will have such scenes.

      Apr 10, 2021 at 4:37 pm
      • erkenbrand94

        Petitioner to the Council : 6 posts

        Right, I agree that Tolkien would be opposed. So why not be against sex and nudity in the show and advocate to keep it out?

        Apr 10, 2021 at 4:41 pm
      • Otaku-sempai

        Citizen of Imladris : 45 posts

        Why not? Because we don’t even know that it’s going to be an issue. I don’t see any point in jumping the gun over something that might not even become a problem.

        Apr 11, 2021 at 6:18 am
      • wrymero

        Petitioner to the Council : 11 posts

        1) A petition in this case is not really going to change anything. For every dedicated Tolkien fan, there are 10 ‘casual’ LotR fans who do not really care about Tolkien and are fine with sexual depictions in the said show. From a purely marketing standpoint, Amazon isn’t going to ditch those scenes because they know that casual viewers would still pay to see the same. And in the end their decisions are based purely on profits.

        2) That’s partly why making such a petition even *before* we know anything about the show is a nonsensical idea. You have zero evidence about what actually is going to make it into the final show. There are chances that even some casual fans would be irked by said depiction when they see it, in which case a petition like that may very well raise some awareness and concern. However, we don’t know that is going to happen. And there’s no reason to panic about it since we haven’t even had a trailer yet to indicate what kind of a beast this show is going to be.

        Apr 13, 2021 at 2:52 am

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